Welcome to Sloppy Seconds! This is a monthly feature hosted by myself and Teresa at
Readers Live A Thousand Lives. In this feature, Teresa and I buddy re-read some of our most favorite books and then post our thoughts and all our feels. So sit back, relax, grab a glass of wine, and re-live some great reads with us!
**WARNING: spoilers ahead**
Teresa Mary Rose
I need you to prepare yourself for me during this discussion because it may be my craziest moment yet. I have so much love for this series, and I really have no clue where to begin... so obviously, I'll just start with Patch because I love him. Until Daemon Black came along, he was my all-time favorite – and after that re-read, I'm pretty sure he is back on the top of that list!
Consider me prepared!! I love how much you love Patch. Your enthusiasm over this series is absolutely contagious! I read this book right after I started blogging; and you know when you first start out as a blogger, it can be overwhelming with all the review requests and just trying to find your footing in this amazing blogosphere we have. So, this was one of those series that fell through the cracks for me. I bought all of the books and fully intended to finish but just didn't get around to it. Then you came into my life, and you've made finishing this series my #1 priority! LOL Daemon and Patch actually share some very interesting qualities! While it took a bit for Daemon to grow on me, I immediately liked Patch for some reason and found him to be extremely funny! I'd love to know your favorite characteristic of Patch, and when was the exact moment you knew you'd fallen (wink wink -- see what I did there?)?
Teresa Mary Rose
I love that you have caught my enthusiasm, and I love that you are excited to get back to this series now! And I love that pun... you know I have a weakness for puns, lol.
I think I fell (haha) for Patch right away, really – even though he is a bit of a mystery when we first meet him. Honestly, I think it was the cocky humor that did me in. The moment he told Nora to call him, I just knew I was done for. I also think it was because he was so mysterious. For a good portion of the book, you really weren't sure if he was the good guy or the bad guy. I remember spending the entire book wanting to trust him and wanting to believe him, BUT there was always that tiny bit of doubt in my mind where I wasn't 100%. I think that is what I loved because in so many YA novels you can really tell right away who the love interest is, and with Patch it wasn't so clear. What was it about Patch that did you in? I know a lot of others are not sold on Patch as easily as we were.
Exactly! There is so much MYSTERY in this story -- hands-down my favorite aspect of Hush, Hush! I nearly broke my brain trying to figure everything and everyone out before things could be revealed. I began suspecting absolutely everyone, and you are spot-on about wanting to trust Patch but never being able to completely shake that doubt. It's so funny what made me fall! A lot of it was his arrogance! What's funny about that is that it's usually a complete turn-off for me. It's why it took me so long to warm up to everyone's favorite and previously mentioned alien; but with Patch, there was always this feeling that he wasn't taking himself too seriously and that there was a lot of story that he wasn't sharing. Nora voiced a lot of the fears I would have had; but just like her, there was something about Patch that kept pulling me in. Intrigue, yes -- but also a goodness in him that I really hoped I wasn't dreaming and an incredible desire to find out.
Teresa Mary Rose
Yes, yes! You nailed it! He is extremely arrogant, but it's a different kind of arrogance. An arrogance that is clearly hiding something else so it isn't a turn-off because you know there is more. Patch is the perfect book boyfriend. Especially in the sense that in real life, I probably wouldn't deal with his nonsense; but I LOVE it in a book guy. And don't even get me started on brain breaking. I've read this book a few times now, but I am still pulled into the mystery each and every time. It is funny because every time I read the book, when the big reveal happens, I always have that "OH MY GOSH" moment even though I clearly know what is coming. I love that you brought that up about Nora. I really liked how Nora acknowledged that she didn't know anything about him and that she really didn't know if she could trust him. I felt like even though she wanted to get to know him, she did always keep her guard up. I know a lot knock her as being a "dumb heroine," but I think the fact that she was conscious of her decisions shows she is not. She knew what she was doing; and while some of her decisions make you shake your head, she was never blind about what she was getting into, and she always knew Patch was hiding something.
That is so true! We'd kick a guy to the curb with superhuman speed if he tried some of those lines in real life; but Patch knew just how to deliver them, making you roll your eyes, laugh, and ultimately swoon each and every time.
Hahaha – and I would never call you out on "I've read this book a few times" even though I am privy to exactly how many times that is – my lips are sealed. The fact that you have read it *ahem* a few times and it still gives you that moment regardless of your being in the know is the highest praise for a book and its author.
We all know the worn-out title handed out repeatedly by reviewers: insta-love. The fact that Nora had all of these thoughts and, just as you said, acknowledged that she didn't know anything about him and that she was unsure if she could trust him kept their relationship from being anything but instantaneous. I love the pace of their 'friendship,' and I felt Nora was so smart to be wary of Patch's intentions and to try to listen to her head and not just her heart and her hormones! I may have been frustrated with her at other times for other things (like keeping her mom in the dark), but I can't help but respect the way she handles the opposite sex in this book. I think that alone made her a good role model for younger girls.
Teresa Mary Rose
Exactly. We would never put up with that kind of nonsense, but I absolutely love watching other people deal with it, haha.
Thanks, Wifey! I know my secrets are safe with you. But seriously, that really says something about the book. That no matter how many times I revisit it, I am still pulled in and captivated.
Oh, you brought up so many things I want to comment on there that my brain is having a hard time picking which thing to discuss first. Okay, so yeah, I would not describe them as insta-love at all – insta-attraction, of course, but their relationship progresses over the course of the book. And she really does war with herself, and I love that she does. Of course she wants to get closer to Patch because he is delicious, but she still knows he may be dangerous. And speaking of opposite sex, I love how she handled Elliot! (We will get to this in a minute ’cause I have lots to say, but that will lead me to Vee and a whole different rant).
I agree with you about her mother as well. I wish she would have talked to her; BUT at the same time I can see why she didn't, and I get it. I really feel like she made her decisions based on what she thought was best. Plus she is 16, and most 16-year-olds feel like they can't talk to their parents. And while on the mom topic, I just need to complain about this line: "Do you want me to call his parents?" UGH JUST NO
And I can't wait to get to those things!! Especially the Elliot and Vee things. I'll get the soapboxes ready. Haha!
That's a great point, and I definitely understand a 16-year-old not wanting to overshare with mom... BUT when there are incidents that are not only putting her in danger but could also endanger her mother, I think it becomes about more than not wanting to clue your parent in on your personal life but about warning her that she could be in possible peril! That was extremely frustrating to me because it borderlines on selfish behavior. And the calling his parents thing was hilarious! Really?? Nooooooo. I did hurt for Nora and the connection she felt to the farm house because of her dad, but still... STRANGER DANGER, NORA!!
Teresa Mary Rose
Oh, I completely agree with you on that one! I think her mom needed to be clued in when things clearly started getting out of hand. I mean, she was being stalked – that is something your mom needs to know. But I liked that I could understand why she didn't share with her mom. I didn't agree with her, but at least it somehow made sense in her head, you know? It is a pet peeve of mine when I read a book and a character makes a bad decision and I cannot even understand why they would make that decision. Just wanted to point out that Becca did a good job of getting Nora's reasoning across to the reader.
Yeah, the parents thing... just *sigh* I was like: This is not how things get handled here, Mom. Why, just why, lol.
Okay *stands on soapbox* Vee – I am pretty sure I hate Vee! She is just a terrible friend; and people talk about Nora's bad decisions, but have we looked at Vee's lately?!?! I didn't really like her to begin with, BUT then her reaction to Elliot's behavior was when I was done! I know you have strong feelings on that so I'll let you handle it, lol – but overall, I think she is a bad friend and very selfish. She is constantly putting Nora in awkward situations because she is "helping" her. How, Vee, how? The only time I like her is when she is in the hospital and on drugs, ’cause that was funny.
OH, and the whole thing at the end is Vee's fault! Okay, done now, lol.
The author did a fabulous job with Nora's inner dialogue! Precisely – we may not have agreed with some of Nora's thoughts or ultimate decisions; but we can't say she acted without thinking it through or with, in her opinion, good reasoning!
Soapbox time!! *helps you up, steadies you* Get her, Wifey! LOL. Another great point made to the Nora haters! Vee's decisions make Nora look like a member of Mensa!! I confess, I did like Vee at the beginning – or perhaps what I saw through Nora's eyes at first in terms of them being "un-twins." When Nora talked about their invisible thread that ties them together and how it will hold for the rest of their lives, I was full of feels! You and I both know what it means to feel a connection like that to a friend. I had high, high hopes for them. *jumps up on soapbox with you* And then Vee blew it. Her response to what happened when Elliot came over to Nora's and [spoiler] floored me and then enraged me. I wanted so badly for there to be mention of why she reacted that way. Was she under a mind-whammy at the time? Since it wasn't addressed, I just have to assume that she placed more importance on her attraction to the boys than the well-being of her best friend – and in no world, fictional or real, is that okay. Alright, help me down from the soapbox before I get really pissy. Ha! I did enjoy her on her pain medication – that was so funny!
Teresa Mary Rose
Thank you! You understand my brain so well! WE have an invisible thread – Nora and Vee do not! Because Vee is not a good friend. When I first read it, though, I remember liking her as well; and I thought they were funny together. I didn't like how she pushed Nora sometimes, but they were good together. Then she slowly started aggravating me until the Elliot moment happened, and then I was done for. JUST DONE FOR. I don't think she was under mind-whammy – I think that is just Vee. She is so obsessed with getting a guy’s attention that she is willing to do anything to get it. But there is never ANY excuse for a guy to put his hands on you – drunk or no – and the fact that Vee couldn't see that or back Nora there was wrong. Then the whole end – "Let’s go play hide and seek in the school. Oh, look, Jules is locking the doors with chains, makes sense." – I mean come on, Vee! And speaking of Jules! He was another winner! He was so sullen and cross and creeptastic! What did Vee even see in him? Again backs my whole obsessed-with-getting-a-guy’s-attention thing.
And before I get down from this soapbox, one last thing: Detective Basso – hate that jerk! Okay *gets down* *helps you down*
Let’s talk about something happy now, lol. My favorite scene in the entire book is when Patch comes to pick Nora up from that terrible neighborhood (ugh, this is another fault of Vee's) because it is so clear he cares there. This was when my doubts went away concerning Patch when I first read it. The moment he puts his shirt on her just melts my heart. What was your favorite scene?
Heck yes, we do!! We could teach Vee a few things for sure. And the pushing?? We just discussed that a few days ago, remember? We never PUSH each other – it's all about encouraging and supporting. Her lack of concern with the Elliot incident really hurt my heart. Guys never, EVER should come before a friend. Biggest pet peeve ever. Aaaaaah!!! The hide and seek!!! No, let me back up on the soapbox!! What in the seventh circle of hell was she thinking??? Also, at the end, she attempts to smooth things over with Nora; but it wasn't enough in my opinion. There should have been groveling. All I can say is Nora must be a very forgiving person to have handled it the way she did. I'm very curious about what the future has in store for them, and I know you already know so I'm dying to read on and find out!!
Jules grabbed my attention the moment he entered the story! I had my suspicions about him from the beginning and loved when my theory panned out. He was so evasive and sinister! He and Elliot made a brilliant love-to-hate-‘em duo!
And I always felt there was more to Detective Basso!! Would it be terribly spoilery for you to tell me if that's the last we've heard from him? There has just got to be something else going on there!
Why am I not the least bit surprised that your turning point is the same as mine? That scene MELTED me. I was so scared for Nora at that point, and the fact that Patch came to her aid immediately – and then the shirt...oh... for the love of borrowed shirts everywhere. SAHWOOOOON! That is definitely a favorite scene of mine. The other being at the end when ummm... Patch begins his new career. LOL. To say it any other way would spoil all of the things, but that is definitely my other favorite part. Oh, and I also love when Nora tries to disguise herself and questions the bartender in hopes of finding out more about Patch. She is SO terribly awkward, and that whole scene is pure comedy! I just loved it!
Teresa Mary Rose
You are right – Vee needs to take some lessons from us. We get this, she does not. I understand Vee wanting Nora to have fun, but she shouldn't have constantly made her uncomfortable. There are so many bad decisions on her part, but that hide-and-seek was sheer stupidity. I am with you – I don't think it was enough on her part; but Nora is much more forgiving than us, I guess. I think Nora gives her too much credit. I can't wait to see what you think of her as the books progress.
There is more there. You will see him again. And that is all I'm going to say!
Of course we would match up on that! That scene really melts my heart! No hesitation, he showed up and didn't even question it. And then the resulting scene HOLY HOT FALLEN ANGELS EVERYWHERE I CAN'T EVEN. Yes, yes, that last scene always gives me all the happy feels! Haha that scene with the bartender gives me second-hand awkwardness but I love it.
Exactly!! Oh, I can't wait. I have a feeling the old soapbox is going to be used and abused.
I KNEW IT!! lol I can't wait to see what part he plays as the story progresses.
Yep, no shocker there. It was such a beautiful moment – I got all teary-eyed! Right? Haha – I think my stomach hurt for her in that scene. And then she gets busted. It was so uncomfortable and just clumsy... but that added to the humor of it all.
Teresa Mary Rose
Yeah, we may need to buy a new soapbox when this is all said and done.
Hehehe *giggles* I cannot wait for you to find out!
I did, too! Just thinking about it is bringing on all the feels again. Oh, me too! She is so awkward it hurts – and then Patch catches her. Sooooo funny!
Are we ready for quote time, or is there something else we need to talk about?
I know you are going to OWN the quotes on this discussion so I'm going to bow out gracefully, only sharing these two:
"It was a smile that spelled trouble. With a promise."
"'Call me Patch. I mean it. Call me.'"
Teresa Mary Rose
Hahaha you know me so well and those two are actually two I don't have in my arsenal lol! Okay, here we go:
“‘I'm not going to kill you, Nora. I don't kill people who are important to me. And you top the list.’”
“‘You're getting cocky. I like that, Angel.’ ‘I don't care what you like. I'm not going out with you. Not on a date. Not alone.’ I wanted to kick myself for experiencing a hot thrill upon speculating what a night alone with Patch might entail. Most likely, he hadn't even meant it. Most likely, he was baiting me for reasons known only to him. ‘Hang on, did you just call me Angel?’ I asked. ‘If I did?’ ‘I don't like it.’ He grinned. ‘It stays. Angel.’" – the very first time he says Angel *sigh*
“‘Are you saying you gave up getting a human body for me?’ He lifted my bandaged hand. Underneath all the gauze, my knuckles throbbed from punching Jules. Patch kissed each finger, taking his time, keeping his eyes glued to mine. ‘What good is a body if I can't have you?’”
“‘You smell good, too,’ said Patch. ‘It’s called a shower.’ I was staring straight ahead. When he didn’t answer, I turned sideways. ‘Soap. Shampoo. Hot water.’ ‘Naked. I know the drill.’”
“‘I don't go out with strangers,’ I said. ‘Good thing I do. I'll pick you up at five.’”
“‘All this time I've hated myself for it. I thought I'd given it up for nothing. But if I hadn't fallen, I wouldn't have met you.’”
*melts into a puddle of goo*
Well, I really, really wanted to include the one at the end – you know the one – but there was no way to share it without giving everything away.
Those quotes are fantastic! I just love when he calls her 'Angel' – and that last one... *joins you in the goo puddle*
Teresa Mary Rose
Ahhh, yes I know which quote you are talking about; and that is a wonderful one! The Angel thing kills me – I love it so much!
This was another great Sloppy pick, Wifey. I'm really happy you wanted to read this one again with me – thank you! I cannot wait to read the rest and gush and vent to you all along the way!
Teresa Mary Rose
I am so happy we went with this one! It was great visiting Patch again, and I cannot wait to re-live this series through you!